Have a great weekend.

And I also can appreciate the Ice Cube reference!!!!

-OG

OG, we naturally have more muscle mass…. muscle is LEAN. fat is fat. Fat with slow twitch muscle is bulk.

so no.. she is not muscular… infact I would say her body fat is over 35%.

Actually Tocarra is like 16-18% based on her last celebrity fit club appeareanc and for the record she was at 25% maybe when she started.

Actually muscles is muscle… and fat is fat… lean is a term used to refer to mass muscle is lean mass. If we are going to school folks up in here then lets do it.

So does now knowing that Tocarra is under your precious 18% body fat bar MAGICALLY make her cool. You have to know you can not eye ball someone and determine his/her body fat right. Lots of women and men have a lot of muscle mas and a lot fat covering it doesn't make them any less fatter or any less muscular, makes them appear fatter sometimes, ie Shaq before the lean down to 7%

Which brings me to my other point you glorifying your 18% body fat you are at the HIGH END of body fat for an avg man according to most charts, recommended body fat for a man is as follows athletic less than 10%, lean (your FAVORITE word) 10%-15%, average 15-18%, above average 18%-20% (looks like you borderline!), overfat 20-25%, and obese more than 25%. And to be fair the recommendations for women are the folllowing, since we know women because we are women and NATURALLY we were made to carry more body fat to BE WOMEN, we would not be able to make babies if it fell below certain percentages, are the following athletic less than 17% athletic (I guess that makes BIG FAT Tocarra a freakin athlete), lean 17-22%, average 22-25% (COWS by your standards, but seems not by the medical or fitness worlds) above average 25-29% overfat 29-35% obese more than 35%.

you are bringing up seperate issues. I am about ratio, fitness and LEAN-ness. your bringing up weight.

I didn't bring up weight I used it as an example about muscle mass that is all. And if you were really about that, you would KNOW Tocarra is not fat. Let's be honest you are about what appeals to you and what doesn't, which is cool DO YOU!

I love an in shape sista and thats my prerogative.

I never told you not to love an in shape anyone (sista, non-sista, brother, dog, blow up doll whatever you want) I said the breaking point was the sheer insanity to call a woman who is FAR from even being over fat based on medical/fitness charts, fat.

Im gonna slap the next black person who tries to use the 500 year ago genetic african example.

First NONE of the west african women I date are thick thighed and fat. in truth… they make fun of us for being fat. ya know forget about the 500 years of evolution and white, indian, and asian races we have absorbed into our collective since we have been here… lets blame us being fat on the africans who have a society based off FISHING and not ourselves who have a society based off POPEYE’S

I believe I used Serena as my example of the West African Archetype (you used her as the archetype for your white girl), and let me just tell you when I was at my heaviest and I was FAT (or fatter depending on what eyes are gazing upon me) the white on my rice WAS AFRICANS!! So the sexually repressed (which is what the African men say about them) African women may laugh, but apparently they can NOT do anything to keep there men from chasing after FAT AZZ black American women. I'm not saying that makes being fat right, I don't ride in the Mo'Nique Fat is the new black camp. TRUST!!

For the record I blame us being FAT on America and our industrialized nation, coupled with the fact that fitness is only recently a luxury we as blacks could afford. Back in the Jim Crowe days black folks was fit because we were holding the majority of blue collar jobs. We never had to thin about getting in cardio it was built into our lives. Coupled with our eating habits what is happening to our race was BOUND to happen. It seems that while we have evolved and understand changing our diets we do not understand the importance of daily exercise routines, like most Americans we are on sit on your azz, processed food culture.

For the record our culture was stripped of us, so our culture as black American is high in fat. Mostly because we were relegated to salt and gravies to disguised the poor quality of food that we were able to afford in slavery to Jim crow, now of course we can afford and that isn't an excuse. The same way a Sushi it a part of the Japanese American diet, pork chops smothered in gravy is ours. Doesn't mean we can't change it or we aren't changing it. It’s just history.

A thick thigh is not one covered in cellulite, I'm talking a thigh that is big and muscular, that is a thick thigh to me. I'm talking like Earl Campell, Robert Newhouse thighs FLo-Jo Jackie Joyner Kersey thighs. I don't think I ever referred to fat thighs. fat is not thick and if you call it that I'll quit (sorry possessed by Q-tip for a minute).

I never rdisagreed with SBM on thick or fat. I actually made my post OPPOSITE of his. and even came back later to say that dispite both of us having our likes in certain types we would both be just as likely to go with any type of gal that treates us nice. ACTUALLY…. the abost poster, quotes where I said as such.

I don't believe I said that you wouldn't date anyone, I think my issue is that through all this back and forth you still wanted to call Tocarra fat. That’s RIDICULOUS. And my point was it is people like you with this flawed perception of reality that drive women to yo-yo diet, which actually makes you FATTER trying to obtain a standard that is NOT realistic, at least it isn't if you say Tocarra is fat. By saying that a woman who is CLEARLY not fat is fat you convey a message of the unobtainable. You could even say she wasn't your cup of tea! Or too much for you to handle but fat, come on. There is a different between a phat azzed woman and a FAT woman. Maybe not to you but to most of the world there is.

It doesn’tn matter how many times or how many ways. yall sistas (some) never really listen to what us as black men say and then hear what you want. if you can take me saying Id date any type of women and think I said I think any chick over a size 5 should rot in hell…. you have issues.

Wow, nice generalization, but I'm not going to fall for the banana in the tail pipe or play Alice in Wonderland in go down that rabbit hole with you. I never said you wouldn't date any kind of woman. You didn't say that but it is obvious from your comments here back and forth with Teacia, if a woman doesn't APPEAR to be 18% body fat to your eyes, then she will be hounded by you to get to that, I guess unless she got her body fat papers. Man, now I got bring my body fat test along with my HIV test. This new millennium dating is FOR REAL

I never said anything about not taking you saying that. What I said was I could not TAKE YOU saying that Tocarra was a FAT ASS. A lot of other women sure, if you called Latifah, Jill Scott, or Mo'Nique a fat ass, I could take that, I might say it wasn't nice. I may not have liked it but I definitely would have to say you had a case for your argument. However if you are calling Tocarra fat…my thought is just DAMN, what does someone who happens to have an extreme appendages (in her case those boobs) have to do to be considered fit by you. I guess for her a double mastectomy would be the only way you would consider her not fat. This is just based on what I have read and understood you to say.

Right here would be were I would make the same generalization about black men as you did women, but it really has NOTHING to do with this exchange. And I really try not to put ANYONE in box. I urge you to try that one day, you might like it.

Just like Me saying I like Halle berry and I like this blonde chick (Serena Williams)… comebackgirl somehow took that as me saying down with the black woman and long live and praise be to allah for the white ones.

ISSUES

ISSUES is right. The fact that you are so quick to jump on black women and ISSUES and downing black women and their issues implicitly lets me know where you are right now. As a matter of fact it seems YOU were the one who brought race into this, but the damn comments went on so long I can't remember, so I’ll give you that one and say the BLACK women brought it up.

I do not think it is an illogical jump for some black women to feel based on your previous comments (which I don't know but can glean from this post’s comments may be a white is better sentiment) that you were continuing on with more of that argument by purposely listing women of non-black or mixed ancestry. I mean really your first comment could have been said with using plenty of female celebrities, for example “Man I don't like them thicker than Beyonce or man give me Jackie Joyner Kersey body type any day. Man, I'm all about what Mya lookin like.” Seeing as I don't really know your comment history as after this I have chosen to just read SBM’s older post and not the comments to those post, I will say my assessment could be COMPLETELY OFF.

ISSUES is correct. I think we all have issues. That is human nature and I know what mine are and I work on them everyday, doesn't mean they are gone, but KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE. The real question is before you hurl out some general ISSUE terms to black women, can you state and be honest about your issues?

I look mine in the face everyday some I can change and some I have changed and some I won't change and I will just be content and happy to agree with whoever when they tell me I have them.

I don't need to hurl insults back at you or degrade who you are to make me feel better about my issues, however you are not going to write my view off to being some kind of angry black woman or black woman with black man issues or anything like that.

My point still remains my point Tocarra is NOT a fat ass (I provided you medical charts of body fat. her body fat is public record to prove that) and it's irrelevant if you would date her fat or skinny, or what your character is. It is comments like yours that don't allow people to get through their muck. What if there was a fat girl reading this and she saw that and her reaction was, hell if she's fat why even try, time to eat a Big Mac to fill the hole.

PLEASE do not come back at me about the psychological condition of a woman who would say that because that sir is not the point that is a separate issue. The point is Mr. "I just want us not to be a fat race", if this was more about that you would KNOW the detriment you cause by calling women who are NOT fat or even overweight fat (well by medical and fitness standards…because it is clear your personal standards are skewed) can only hurt and not help the situation our community is facing.

Look it is your God given right to like or dislike who ever you want for what ever reason, but don't expect folks to just take what you are saying. The same way you felt the need or right to post an opposing view to SBM’s post, is the same way many of these commenters felt the right to share their opposition to your comments. If you have the right to say what you want I most certainly should have the right to say what I want and so should anyone else who stops on this page and has two cents, two snaps in a circle, or an Amen to add to the conversation.

Now it's time for me to get Forest Gump on you, that's all I have to say about that.

@SBM, again I apologize for this. I know you don’t bang YOU ROCK the dope rhymes!! Next time I promise to mind my p’s and q’s. Really I do!

@ Teacia- thanks. I really was trying my best to lurk on this site. I was I promise I was.

-OG